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I personally really like the way Ken traines, but I would like to see what you guys think. I want to be his apprentice when I get older, does anyone else? Thanks guys!
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I'm reasonably familiar with Ken McNabb, I've watched him on RFD-TV, sifted through his website, etc. I will say that I learned some helpful stuff from watching and reading his material, and that I admire his success in the show ring. However, he does a few things which I very strongly dislike/disagree with, which is why I chose not to delve deeper into his program (i.e. buy his books and videos).
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| I, too, am familar with him through his show and website; I may have seen him at an expo, but don't specifically recall if I did. I thought he was OK - nothing spectacular or flashy, which is good, but I wasn't overly awed by him. I did see a show where he introduced a young horse to cows and was impressed how soft and gentle he was with the horse, just taking his time and advancing with small steps.
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| I have attended a few of his clinics and visited with him. He has good techniques if your already an experienced horseperson. He pushes the horse a bit to the point of getting a reaction of rear or bolt. I don't know if that was due to time constraints or his style of training. I think it would be cool to work under several trainers, take the best parts, and add in some of your own. I sit and listen alot, listen and watch, and I get these ah ha moments. Go for it!
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| I have There are better trainers than him But htere are alot worse trainers too. HE is good with horses, but i dont feel he is the best. But if you were to like buy his training stuff, he is probably one of the best people to work with.
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Woodrows Mommy (6/4/2008)
I'm reasonably familiar with Ken McNabb, I've watched him on RFD-TV, sifted through his website, etc. I will say that I learned some helpful stuff from watching and reading his material, and that I admire his success in the show ring. However, he does a few things which I very strongly dislike/disagree with, which is why I chose not to delve deeper into his program (i.e. buy his books and videos).
may I ask what he did that you don't agree with?
I have seen him on RFD-TV a few times, but I don't really remember anything special... He just seems like a normal guy.
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One thing that initially turned me off to him was a series he did with a young (3 year old, I think) arab stallion he was getting ready for the AHA WP circuit. He was teaching the horse to make the transition between snaffle and curb bit. He claimed that it was the horse's first time going though the lessons he was demonstrating (which, given the horse's performance, I believe to be true), and yet he went from a med. port grazing bit to a high port, long shanked bit within 2 episodes a transition that should, even for a horse prepping for the show ring, take couple of months - though on multiple occasions he mentioned "yesterday" and "the day before yesterday" in the context of the horse having only been in the bit for a few days during filming. Sure enough you could see that the horse was overbitted (and frankly, overwhelmed), and was showing a lot of resistance- albeit very mild resistance (he came behind the bit, was nervous, etc.) Then Ken went right into working on headset, which sure enough, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the rest of the horse's body. He ran the curb's reins through an all-leather training fork and started bumping the horse's head into position.
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
So yeah, stuff like that that was unsavory in my book.
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Woodrows Mommy (6/8/2008)
One thing that initially turned me off to him was a series he did with a young (3 year old, I think) arab stallion he was getting ready for the AHA WP circuit. He was teaching the horse to make the transition between snaffle and curb bit. He claimed that it was the horse's first time going though the lessons he was demonstrating (which, given the horse's performance, I believe to be true), and yet he went from a med. port grazing bit to a high port, long shanked bit within 2 episodes a transition that should, even for a horse prepping for the show ring, take couple of months - though on multiple occasions he mentioned "yesterday" and "the day before yesterday" in the context of the horse having only been in the bit for a few days during filming. Sure enough you could see that the horse was overbitted (and frankly, overwhelmed), and was showing a lot of resistance- albeit very mild resistance (he came behind the bit, was nervous, etc.) Then Ken went right into working on headset, which sure enough, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the rest of the horse's body. He ran the curb's reins through an all-leather training fork and started bumping the horse's head into position.
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
So yeah, stuff like that that was unsavory in my book.
Yikes. I guess i haven't seen any of those things he did, wow. Kind of changes my perspective now.
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[size=2][quote]Woodrows Mommy (6/8/2008)
"One thing that initially turned me off to him was a series he did with a young (3 year old, I think) arab stallion he was getting ready for the AHA WP circuit. He was teaching the horse to make the transition between snaffle and curb bit. He claimed that it was the horse's first time going though the lessons he was demonstrating (which, given the horse's performance, I believe to be true), and yet he went from a med. port grazing bit to a high port, long shanked bit within 2 episodes a transition that should, even for a horse prepping for the show ring, take couple of months - though on multiple occasions he mentioned "yesterday" and "the day before yesterday" in the context of the horse having only been in the bit for a few days during filming. Sure enough you could see that the horse was overbitted (and frankly, overwhelmed), and was showing a lot of resistance- albeit very mild resistance (he came behind the bit, was nervous, etc.) Then Ken went right into working on headset, which sure enough, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the rest of the horse's body. He ran the curb's reins through an all-leather training fork and started bumping the horse's head into position.
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
So yeah, stuff like that that was unsavory in my book."[/quote][size=1][/size][/size]
I don't want to offend anyone, but are you sure the trainer you describe is Ken McNabb? (http://www.kenmcnabb.com/) I have known the McNabbs for several years now, and have participated in several clinics, as well as the three week apprenticeship program, and I really don't think this sounds like the kind of training he uses. Also, although he has worked with all breeds of horses for a long time, I don't believe he has done any showing.
I really like the gentle, yet no nonsense approach he takes to training, and would recommend him to any rider who is interested in learning how to better their horsemanship, boost their confidence, or even train professionally.
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I saw him at Equine Affair last year and really liked what I saw. I have a hard time imagining him doing those types of things to a horse. But for clinics and I suppose tv programs I th8ink trainers sometimes push things beyond what they would normally do. Things like backing and riding unbroke horses in an hour or two and so on. This is just not good real world training and often gives observers the wrong impression.
The person doing said tv show would have bee further ahead to use horses at different levels of training to show the steps. But we don't kow the circumstances that led to his actions.
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