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I love Ken McNabb's training. Him and Chris Cox are my favorites:)
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[quote]WY Barn Bum (10/26/2008)
[size=2][quote]Woodrows Mommy (6/8/2008)
"One thing that initially turned me off to him was a series he did with a young (3 year old, I think) arab stallion he was getting ready for the AHA WP circuit. He was teaching the horse to make the transition between snaffle and curb bit. He claimed that it was the horse's first time going though the lessons he was demonstrating (which, given the horse's performance, I believe to be true), and yet he went from a med. port grazing bit to a high port, long shanked bit within 2 episodes a transition that should, even for a horse prepping for the show ring, take couple of months - though on multiple occasions he mentioned "yesterday" and "the day before yesterday" in the context of the horse having only been in the bit for a few days during filming. Sure enough you could see that the horse was overbitted (and frankly, overwhelmed), and was showing a lot of resistance- albeit very mild resistance (he came behind the bit, was nervous, etc.) Then Ken went right into working on headset, which sure enough, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the rest of the horse's body. He ran the curb's reins through an all-leather training fork and started bumping the horse's head into position.
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
So yeah, stuff like that that was unsavory in my book."[/quote][size=1][/size][/size]
I don't want to offend anyone, but are you sure the trainer you describe is Ken McNabb? (http://www.kenmcnabb.com/) I have known the McNabbs for several years now, and have participated in several clinics, as well as the three week apprenticeship program, and I really don't think this sounds like the kind of training he uses. Also, although he has worked with all breeds of horses for a long time, I don't believe he has done any showing.
I really like the gentle, yet no nonsense approach he takes to training, and would recommend him to any rider who is interested in learning how to better their horsemanship, boost their confidence, or even train professionally.[/quote]
Yes, I'm sure it was him. I have it saved on my DVR, or did - my sister cleared out a lot of things to make space on the hard drive for all the holiday specials, though I did tell her to leave my HDTV programs alone. If you want I'll see if I can find the program number or air date.
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| Woodrows - I saw the shows to which you refer, but you are incorrect, the clinician
IS NOT KEN MCNABB. It was Tommy Garland, who competed against Ken at the 2008 Road to the Horse which may be where your confusion is coming from. Ken does not use the techniques you cite. Tommy does use forks, tying around etc and is also an arabian trainer by trade. R
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[quote]reinitin (3/20/2009)
Woodrows -
I saw the shows to which you refer, but you are incorrect, the clinician
IS NOT KEN MCNABB. It was Tommy Garland, who competed against Ken at the 2008 Road to the Horse which may be where your confusion is coming from. Ken does not use the techniques you cite. Tommy does use forks, tying around etc and is also an arabian trainer by trade.
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OMG you are so right! I heartily apologize!! To Mr. McNabb and to others here (I'm honestly mortified by the mistake!) Sorry!
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[quote]flashywinsorbar (6/10/2008)
[quote]Woodrows Mommy (6/8/2008)
One thing that initially turned me off to him was a series he did with a young (3 year old, I think) arab stallion he was getting ready for the AHA WP circuit. He was teaching the horse to make the transition between snaffle and curb bit. He claimed that it was the horse's first time going though the lessons he was demonstrating (which, given the horse's performance, I believe to be true), and yet he went from a med. port grazing bit to a high port, long shanked bit within 2 episodes a transition that should, even for a horse prepping for the show ring, take couple of months - though on multiple occasions he mentioned "yesterday" and "the day before yesterday" in the context of the horse having only been in the bit for a few days during filming. Sure enough you could see that the horse was overbitted (and frankly, overwhelmed), and was showing a lot of resistance- albeit very mild resistance (he came behind the bit, was nervous, etc.) Then Ken went right into working on headset, which sure enough, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the rest of the horse's body. He ran the curb's reins through an all-leather training fork and started bumping the horse's head into position.
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
So yeah, stuff like that that was unsavory in my book.[/quote]
Yikes. I guess i haven't seen any of those things he did, wow. Kind of changes my perspective now.[/quote]
I would ask the same question as WY Barn Bum... respectfully, I have to wonder if you and the rest of the people here are talking about the same trainer. I have interned with Ken and participated in many of his clinics over the past seven years. I have NEVER seen him tie a horse's head around to the girth. I have the utmost respect for his gentle techniques and he always places the horse's and rider/trainer's safety above all else.
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| Its ok Woodrows... mistakes happen all the time. I quite enjoy watching Ken McNabb's show on RFD. He's really gentle with the horses and gets the point through quickly and safely.
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| i like ken mcnabb. saw him yesterday working with a colt on his first time with a rider in saddle. it was eerily similar to what i am going though with a 5 year old that has never been under saddle. i learned a few things from him, and was reassured that other things i am doing are the correct things. i know a young colt is different than a 5 year old horse, but a lot of the actions and reactions are similar. one thing i have learned is that with any of these trainers i have studied i always find at least one thing they do that i dont agree with. but if that caused me to completely abandon every idea the trainer has, i would never get anywhere.
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| Phew, took a while to get signed in here and this thread has been dragging along for months. Looks like I have more Ken Mcnabb experience than all the rest put together. I've done a two week course with him several years ago and then I've done two wagon trains with him and his family. I've hosted a weekend clinic for him here in Florida. Ken is the real deal. He has grown up with horses and real cowboys. His methods are eclectic but practical. He comes from the school that says the horse is there to work for you and with you. The horse expects you to give it direction and to provide for its basic needs. Ken trains working ranch horses. He just keeps working away at it until he finds way to solve whatever the problem is. He is good at stepping back and thinking thru the situation rather than picking from a list of ready made answers. There is no more reason to think one horse trainer should fit all than to expect one size of jeans to fit all. Ken has taken me thru a lot of tough situations. He is highly competitive yet on a moment to moment interaction with me or with horses I never sense ego. He's just a regular guy that loves people and horses.
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| I have watched his program several times, and I like it. It is so nice to see a trainer doing something with their horse. I am so sick of seeing roundpen training. That has gotten old. I realize some people are just starting out, but how long can you stay in a roundpen. Anyway I just wanted to say I like watching his show. I hope it stays on rfd-tv.
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[quote]Woodrows Mommy (6/8/2008)
There were other times when I was watching where he tied horse's heads around to the girth (I know that's fairly common, but it's VERY, VERY dangerous) - including tying them with a curb rein.
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I hate when people do that. We have a Appy mare at my barn who had that done to her but they used rope and left her in the stall for hours. she now has alignment problems and she needs chiropractic work done quite often.
I also know of a girl who does that to her horses and everytime she does it they flip over. She recently broke her pelvis when she did this because she was in the process of dismounting. Maybe she will learn not do do that now? Probably not.
its horrible.
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