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[quote]Misfit Style (6/8/2009)
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She is more of a one person horse though. As in, you have to ride her correctly. Sure, she'll tote kids around for pony rides no problem but if you actually wanted to show her or anything you had to use her cues, or she would be pissy about it. Figure her out, and she is awesome.[/quote]
I agree. I don't have much experience with Arabs, but I've ridden a few that have been pretty calm. I wanted to comment, because I think TB's and Arabs are fairly similar. They have the same negative biases, and have similar conformation (although most TB's lack the dished face. Mine has a straight face but the Jibbah, or bulge in the forehead, that Arabs have). They are also very closely related, as TB's were created by crossing Arabian stallions with native English mares. But my horse (TB) is just like described above. They tend to be very one-person horses. Of course, all horses have different temperments regardless of breed, but most breeds have a characteristic that is seen in most horses of that breed. Arabs and TB's tend to be one-person horses.
This can be good and bad. It can be bad because it will be difficult for anyone else except the owner (or person the horse is close to, hopefully it is the owner!) to ride, or even handle the horse. But it can be great, because the owner can have an incredible bond with the horse, like the bond between the Black Stallion and Alec. I have that kind of bond with my TB. [/quote]
I thought you couldn't breed for personality?
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Can't breed personality, can possibly breed a few characteristics, found in MOST (not all) horses of that breed.
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| Well, maybe you can't technically breed for personality, but behavior traits do seem to be passed on. None of my TB foals knew their sire, but they ALL fit the pattern of their 1/2 brothers and sisters. Some of them didn't even resemble their mothers behavior patterns! And trainers will tell you that certain lines are problems...no matter which breed you deal with. I have 3 Justa-Classic horses.....all of which are their sire.....they are difficult to handle and train......but once you work with them and get them trained.....they are phenomenal. Justa-Classic was gelded because he passed on "trouble" horses......but those that got to the right place turned out so well, they would have loved to "un-do" it! I don't think we know enough about genetics yet to absolutely, positively say they can't be bred for personality....I've seen it work. I've had hyper mares bred to quiet stallions, and the foals are a crap-shoot, close to 50% hyper, 50% quiet. And Lord knows I've seen quiet mares bred to goof-balls.....and you get goof-balls. 30 years and over 100 foals.......the jury is still out on that, IMO!!
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Oh dear, I started this again! Sorry people
OK back to Arabians
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However, to be truthful, I would NOT suggest an Arab for a 1st horse for you.....or maybe even a 4th or 5th. Unless you grew up around them, you most likely can not even begin to understand and anticipate them! My Arabian was my first horse. I don't see how that was a problem. She taught me more than any dead-head horse ever could, but she was in no way dangerous...just smart. She made me learn how to be a correct rider every time I got on a horse. As in anything, it depends on the horse. But there are plenty of Arabians that make great first (or 5th) horses.
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| Perc.....lucky you. But I'll bet you have that instinct/connection with horses that make it easier for you. And yes, I've had 4-H'ers who started with nutso-coocoo Arabs that did wonderfully for them.....again natural trainers. Most have been disasters; even at the 4th or 5th horse. I guess the point I was trying to make is that it takes a special person to "deal" with an Arab. When it works, it's lovely to see....when it doesn't, it's downright fugly. It depends on why she wants the type of horse to begin with (true of ANY breed). If it's just cuz it's "pretty" or "looks cool" then that's not the best start. But if she watches and sees one in particular and bonds with it.....hey, that's great! Out of all the choices out there, I just don't think they are the "best" for a newbie. But, then, there are exceptions. And the OP might just be that.
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[quote]odonata (6/8/2009)
However, to be truthful, I would NOT suggest an Arab for a 1st horse for you.....or maybe even a 4th or 5th. Unless you grew up around them, you most likely can not even begin to understand and anticipate them!
My Arabian was my first horse. I don't see how that was a problem. She taught me more than any dead-head horse ever could, but she was in no way dangerous...just smart. She made me learn how to be a correct rider every time I got on a horse.
As in anything, it depends on the horse. But there are plenty of Arabians that make great first (or 5th) horses.[/quote]
I would have to agree. As strange as it sounds, I've never met a high-strung Arab. But most of them have been very well-trained and in their teens, though.
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I have a full blooded and half arabian and my friends breed and raise arabians. I think there fun , pretty, and sweet horses.
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odonata (6/9/2009)
Perc.....lucky you. But I'll bet you have that instinct/connection with horses that make it easier for you. And yes, I've had 4-H'ers who started with nutso-coocoo Arabs that did wonderfully for them.....again natural trainers. Most have been disasters; even at the 4th or 5th horse.I guess the point I was trying to make is that it takes a special person to "deal" with an Arab. When it works, it's lovely to see....when it doesn't, it's downright fugly. It depends on why she wants the type of horse to begin with (true of ANY breed). If it's just cuz it's "pretty" or "looks cool" then that's not the best start. But if she watches and sees one in particular and bonds with it.....hey, that's great! Out of all the choices out there, I just don't think they are the "best" for a newbie. But, then, there are exceptions. And the OP might just be that. Well, I don't particularly think any newbie should go out and buy a horse, regardless of breed. I had already been riding for 7 years before I go Perky. I personally think more people should do something similar and wait. No offense to anyone, I just hate it when people say 'Oh, I like horses' and go out and buy one, rather than taking lessons and learning first. I see plenty of people who buy QHs as their first horse and can't handle them. Its not a breed thing, its an experience thing. I do prefer hotter horses though. I don't enjoy riding horses that are what I would call a "dead head." I have my Arab and my OTTB and wouldn't have it any other way lol.
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[quote]Swing_Away111 (6/8/2009)
[quote]Misfit Style (6/8/2009)
[quote]Swing_Away111 (6/8/2009)
[quote]Purcocious (6/8/2009)
She is more of a one person horse though. As in, you have to ride her correctly. Sure, she'll tote kids around for pony rides no problem but if you actually wanted to show her or anything you had to use her cues, or she would be pissy about it. Figure her out, and she is awesome.[/quote]
I agree. I don't have much experience with Arabs, but I've ridden a few that have been pretty calm. I wanted to comment, because I think TB's and Arabs are fairly similar. They have the same negative biases, and have similar conformation (although most TB's lack the dished face. Mine has a straight face but the Jibbah, or bulge in the forehead, that Arabs have). They are also very closely related, as TB's were created by crossing Arabian stallions with native English mares. But my horse (TB) is just like described above. They tend to be very one-person horses. Of course, all horses have different temperments regardless of breed, but most breeds have a characteristic that is seen in most horses of that breed. Arabs and TB's tend to be one-person horses.
This can be good and bad. It can be bad because it will be difficult for anyone else except the owner (or person the horse is close to, hopefully it is the owner!) to ride, or even handle the horse. But it can be great, because the owner can have an incredible bond with the horse, like the bond between the Black Stallion and Alec. I have that kind of bond with my TB.[/quote]
I thought you couldn't breed for personality?
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Can't breed personality, can possibly breed a few characteristics, found in MOST (not all) horses of that breed.[/quote]
How is that any different than the point I was making before about TBs being more high energy and sensitive?
Selective logic is faulty at best.
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Think about it this way. Imagine two horses are bred, who are both skittish. That's what the foal grows up in, and that's in his genetics, so there's a chance he could be skittish. But then take somebody who takes two horses who both are afraid of motorcycles and dogs, but like cats and children and apples but not carrots. The offspring might have one or a few of the same (might not like dogs) traits but it's very unlikely the foal will be afraid of motorcycles and dogs, but like cats and children and apples but not carrots.
Does that make more sense? With selective breeding you can possibly bred one or two characteristics, but not a complete personality.
Of course, although I said that you can possibly breed one or two characteristics in a breed, by no means am I saying that every single horse of that breed will have that characteristic.
I respect your opinion, I'm just trying to explain mine.
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