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Posted 10/18/2009 8:25:54 PM
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gallop to the jumps??....that's niice

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Posted 10/18/2009 10:23:31 PM


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Thanks everyone for replying it helps. I know I really need to get him moving faster. He for some really weird reason gets lazyer at shows maby he just know we are going to be there all day I dont know. He is a very heavy horse and I have been able to get him lighter. The vast majority people in my area and at this show are breed show people so I have picked up bad habbits so i will work on it. I have a video from my dressage show last weekend if you could look at it also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYiUFNwIW4

Is this better collection for him? I got a 64% for this test. The trot circles sucked but I was wondering if the canter is better. The judge said "use more half halts to establish a better connection with your nice soft hands" 

thanks everyone

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Posted 10/19/2009 3:52:47 AM
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gallop to the jumps??....that's niice

Yes  gallop to the jumps.. YOu have a problem with  galloping to jumps? IF so perhaps you should  stick to hte pleasure horse  rings. Galloping to hte jumps  allows the hors to  get his front out of the way when  taking off  to the jump and give them the 'umph' needed to  get over and not loose pace. Galloping to the jump  will 'make' if you will  get off the horses back so the horse can jump the jumps.  Galloping to hte jumps  allows the horse to be balanced and is more adjustable on hte approach and  going away from the jump. /unlike hte glumpalong  gaits that  is populr in hte bred show 4h levels. Galloping will allow the rider and horse  a better chance of landing on hte  correct lead, and  actually make it down hte lines and when  she reaches the level where  combo jumps are  on hte course  will actually make the 1-2 strides inbetween right now  if a combo  were to appear the horse would  almost crawl over the jumps if  he make it  in hte allotted stride to begin with. So what was wrong with gallop to jumps?   Please tell me what I said was so wrong? Rememer I've been in this game for 30 yrs and  have more  1-3rd placings than 4-6th and more tri colors than I care to admit more sivler than I wish to  polish, more trophys, plaques, medals etc  than I have wall space to display if I chose to display them If I  did not choose to return them to the show managers/ orgnizers for their use later...

Anyway on to the  new vid.

Cntact with  the horse  face would help I think. though he is moving more foward than in the first vids. you are always 'fixing' ( im sure the judge  commeneted on busy hands.. )which  transulates to  always fixing. At least for the first half of the test.  Some of your circles are more egg shaped and  the first one  seemed to be  a bit short but that could have been camera angle...  to achieve a circle remember the points of hte arena.. the short side at A the  long sides  just  beyond the letters (  that  I cant recall with out more coffee in my body) and X ( I assume the test calls for 20 m  vs 10 m circles) YOu  really just want to touch on those spots not  go to them. See this O  you  ride from X touch long side touch A then touch long side then touch X again. But as your skill  enlarge so will this ability so right now I think you are on track for that.

Like with jumping you want to  have contact with his face. Not  upper levl comtact but contact with out a  loop in the reins. See  how several times  when you  didnt free rein he  appeard to be searching for something? Poking  nose out a bit, a bob up then  'drag' down' He is searching for contact. So give it to him. when you did the first free rein  he did dive a bit into it.  YOu dont want to just drop reins but rather  allow him to  take the rein from you. He almost but not quite 'fell' into hte streach. And when you gather  reins back up make sure it is a deliberate, sure  take up not a  quiet, slow feed through fingers. Actually   take them up so contact is reestablished  and  'fast time'. See if you can find some  higher level riders  doing this manouver  and see how  they just take back hte reins? not  slowly feeding through fingers.

Honestly I think the horse  appears happier  doing dressage than he does jumping. That may be his  thing. That said if you  continue to  jump and wish to  go higher levels then dressage is always a good thing to have under your belt. You will be suprised how often dressage  saves  riders in touh spots when jumping.


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Posted 10/19/2009 11:31:52 AM


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Thank you. The judge did say he was above the bit for i think the center line. I will work on that. When we first started jumping he really got excited about it but now he is just not as excited. We have one last show november 1st. I'll work with him and get some video.  

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Posted 10/19/2009 2:28:33 PM
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Stop see-sawing on your horse's mouth, and instead teach him to follow a contact properly. His head is bobbing side to side in that dressage test like none-other. Take up a feel of his face, and push him into the contact. Stop fussing with the reins.

I 100% disagree with the person who said to gallop towards the jumps. NO NO NO. That is a sure fire way to make a rusher. Get more impulsion, sure. But galloping is not the same as a more forward canter. These jumps are tiny. Your horse should be able to take them from a trot. The more forward canter will make the jumps look more fluid, and with a better bascule. Good luck!
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Posted 10/19/2009 2:41:25 PM


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Dear god people. Just because you're galloping doesnt mean you're out of control going extremely fast.

YOu can be galloping and not going SUPER DUPER fast...YOu can be galloping with a ground-covering, long stride that isn't much faster than a speedy canter.

I would absolutely love to see anyone try to jump bigger than 4'
at a canter and end up with a nice bascule. It just wont happen. And thats going to lose you points.

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Posted 10/19/2009 2:52:02 PM
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Canter: 3 beat.

Gallop: 4 beat.

You are either doing one, or the other. Just so you know, 3'6" is still tiny. Any horse larger than 15.2 should be able to take a 3'6" at a quiet pace.

This girl is a hunter. She needs to look slow and controlled. That's kinda the point of the game, no? Watch this horse go around at a nice controlled canter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gffgpj0gv5M&feature=player_embedded

Running at a 2'6" fence makes a horse FLAT over the fence. Not round. Does she need more impulsion? Absolutely. Galloping != impulsion. It's strings a horse out, not rounding them up and making more energy.
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Posted 10/19/2009 3:25:23 PM


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Yeah I meant more like 4'
Yeah but you can gallop with impulsion and a long stride that isn't out of control or that fast.

And i know the diffference between a gallop and a canter, thanks.

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Posted 10/19/2009 3:47:00 PM
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Sure, but you shouldn't HAVE to. It should be your choice, not a necessity. Your horse should be able to make it around a course at a decent canter pace.

*Having* to gallop is a hole in training. If you have to get that much speed to make sure you make it over, you're not seeing your distances properly. From a good distance, a hunter/jumper should be able to make it right over.

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Posted 10/19/2009 3:59:29 PM


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You might not HAVE to, but its necessary in a lot of situations.


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