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Posted 11/4/2009 10:45:40 AM


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Well it worked for me and this method has been around since 1940 and is also in the Storey's guide to training.  I don't think they would still be using this method if it did not work or if it caused horses to get hurt or break legs.

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Posted 11/4/2009 11:20:37 AM


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I'm a fan of the Blocker tie ring. However, you can just slap the horse's lead in a Blocker and expect the problem to be solved. Its a training process just like anything else, and the Blocker is a tool. It shouldn't be used as a crutch, rather merely a training tool.

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Posted 11/4/2009 2:40:12 PM


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Well it worked for me and this method has been around since 1940 and is also in the Storey's guide to training. I don't think they would still be using this method if it did not work or if it caused horses to get hurt or break legs.


That's a bunk argument. Teaching a horse to give to pressure and tie properly has been around a whole heck of a lot longer than 70 years, just as there are even older techniques still in use that are undeniably dangerous. How long something has been around, and whether or not it is in use says nothing about the safety or validity of the method.

For example, there is a very old technique for teaching horses to lead by putting a halter on them, tying them to a donkey gelding, and turning them loose in a big pasture. That technique is used with some frequency on large stock ranches to this day. But anyone in their right mind would see that tying two animals together and leaving them unattended would be a dangerous thing to do. Another example - it's a common practice in some areas that when getting a young horse used to a bit, it's a good idea to put him in a snaffle bridle and leave it on for several days until the horse no longer notices - and that technique is centuries old - but I've seen horses subjected to that technique who have gotten their bits caught on fencing and had their mouth and lips ripped open.

It's your business if you want to subject your horses to a technique you watched used on a tv channel, but my point here is that it's fundamentally irresponsible to suggest that someone else try something potentially dangerous with only a few sentences of explanation over the internet. For goodness sakes, I've seen people explain the inner workings of how a to hang-glide but I sure as heck wouldn't think that it would be safe to go out, rent or buy a hang-glider, and then attempt to do it without professional help and supervision. Horse training is little different - it's not something you can learn (at least, not something you can learn to do well) by seeing it done on TV.

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Honestly, I don't care for the Blocker tie ring. If you wrap it around twice, the horse can't pull out and it's just like tying them to a post. If you loop it through once, it will pull out. The thing with that is, it can teach horses that already tie well to pull. Because with the Blocker ring, if it's looped through once, the horse just had to pull a little to get it's head on the ground and graze. I had to completely re-teach my horse to give to pressure (and I mean, the slightest of pressure, or else they just pull it out) after he was tied in the Blocker tie ring. And it's not just my horse, I've seen it happen with many other horses.
Yes, it does help the horse not to panic when he pulls back, but it also teaches him that pulling back can be rewarding.






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Posted 11/6/2009 6:16:10 AM


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Ditto.

Completely agree. Leo has done exactly what Merril has.

 

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Posted 11/8/2009 12:30:10 PM
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The single loop pulls easy.

Loop it twice and I have to LEAAANNN on it, but I can still pull it out. I weigh 110 lbs. It's not that hard.

You must be looping them wrong.
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Posted 11/8/2009 5:05:28 PM


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I'm not meaning to sound rude, but I specifically said that if I loop it once, it's very easy to pull out. If a horse can pull it out looped over twice (which is about 110 lbs of pressure, as you said) he really needs more tying lessons, and I don't think he should be tied until he learns to give to pressure more.






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Posted 11/9/2009 10:17:39 AM
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Do you even know what the purpose of a Blocker ring is?
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Posted 11/9/2009 10:20:48 AM
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Also, how much experience do you have with horses who are dirty about being tied?? ie, will sit back until the rope breaks?
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