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Posted 10/31/2009 11:29:02 AM


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Hi guys,
As some of you know, my horse get rainrot very frequently. So I have a few questions...
1. Is there an oral antibiotic I can buy him to get rid of it? This is one of his worst cases, he's had it for two months now, and it would be really nice to get rid of it for the winter.
2. How do you disinfect objects that have touched rainrot? Such as brushes, coolers, saddlepads, ect.
3. How contaigious is rainrot? Such as if I used a brush on his rainrot, then the rest of his body, would it spread the rainrot to other places?
4. I have a tacky-too bareback pad, that says it is antibacterial. Will that not spread rainrot?

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Posted 11/1/2009 10:19:32 AM


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What does your vet say about treatment? I would be hesitant to take advice over the internet, especially where prescribed medication is concerned and the horse cannot be examined.

The Horse (http://www.thehorse.com) website says:

Horses with rain rot should be kept dry and away from biting insects. Begin a seven- to 10-day cleansing program with a medicated shampoo. The bacteria live under the scabs, which should be detached during the bath when they are soft to spare your horse further discomfort. Proper disposal of infected scabs is important to reduce environmental contamination. Penicillin injections administered by your veterinarian can expedite the healing process, especially if rain rot is detected early. Rain rot is also thought to be transmitted through shared tack, blankets, and grooming equipment, so anything that has come into contact with the affected horse needs to be disinfected. A self-limiting condition, rain rot can resolve itself spontaneously once the immune system gets going or when the weather becomes drier; however, the disease can become quite acute before it improves. To prevent further occurrences, avoid having your horse outside during inclement weather without shelter, protect him against fly bites, keep him from being malnourished or immunocompromised, and maintain good grooming habits.


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Treatment. Most acute cases of rain rot can heal on their own; however, Swinker recommends treating even minor cases because the lesions can spread and worsen. The lesions also interfere with use (especially if they are located along the horse's back or withers) and they can be painful for the horse. She says, "In early or less severe cases, simply removing the scabs (by bathing the horse) with antimicrobial shampoos and currying will take care of the problem." However, more severe cases in which the infection has affected deeper skin layers might require your veterinarian to give antibiotic injections (such as procaine penicillin and streptomycin). Unlike most skin conditions, rain rot is not itchy, but it can be painful to the touch. Be cautious when bathing or removing the scabs. Prevention. Practicing good hygiene, such as daily grooming with clean brushes, along with reducing environmental risk factors (constant wet and/or humid environments and biting insects), are the best ways to prevent your horse from getting rain rot. Because this infection can spread to other horses, it's important to isolate the infected horse to reduce the risk of spreading the infection to pasturemates. Also, be sure to use a separate set of grooming tools and tack (if the infection is light enough to continue working the horse without causing harm), and disinfect these items between each use.


Hope you can get it under control soon!
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Posted 11/1/2009 10:44:22 AM


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Great info from Kewpalace.  I've read that vitamin A might help and I am thinking I might try adding that to my horse's diet this year.  I use a separate brush on my horse for his rainrot area(s) (while he has rainrot) and I disinfect it in bleach.  Good luck!

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Posted 11/1/2009 3:47:52 PM


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Thanks for the information, guys!
My vet has seen Merrill, and she recommends baths in extra-strength Head & Shoulders shampoo (as often as possible in this weather) and picking the scabs off. It usually works to get rid if it in 2-3 weeks. Merrill got this severe case after my surgery when he wasn't groomed for 6 weeks (and he was used to being groomed at least 3 times a week). The vet says he gets it because of his allergies (too mild for medication but still supress his imunne system) and that we live in a VERY rainy/humid climate, and Merrill lives outside 24/7.
So we know how & why he gets it, and how to treat mild cases. I will ask my vet about penicillin shots.
Thanks for the info so far! Any answers to my other questions?

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Posted 11/1/2009 4:13:24 PM


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Based on the info from The Horse and Sam's Mom's post, I'd disinfect EVERYTHING that comes in contact with the rainrot after every single use and would not use grooming tools that have been used on the infected areas on any other part of the body. If it can't be disinfected, I'd toss it. I would not use anything that comes in contact with the rain rot that cannot be disinfected. I would not use the bareback pad on it ... regardless of whether it is antibacterial or not. I wouldn't know when the protection has been compromised.

Let us know how it goes with clearing it up!
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Posted 11/1/2009 5:47:11 PM


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Thanks! I might try bleach, but i don't want it to stain my saddle pad and such. Is there any other way to disinfect?

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Posted 11/1/2009 8:46:29 PM


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The only thing I will use to treat rainrot and disinfect eqiupment is chlorhexidine. I don't quite see how treating with head and shoulders will help? Rainrot is a fungal condition and should be treated as such. I do a 3 step program:

  1. Dose the horse with Vitamin A. You can buy injectible Vitamin A at almost any feedstore and give a 4-5cc loading dose of it orally once to help up the Vitamin A levels immediately. After that, keep the horse on a "mare" supplement... I prefer Mare Plus by Farnam. Nice amount of Vitamin A in the supplement as Vitamin A helps to prevent retained placenta. It can be given to mares, geldings, and stallions with no problem. Just a vitamin/ mineral supplement. Another bonus is that it helps keep eyes clear and non-runny, and it can also help with allergies. The fact that your horse has chronic rainrot tells me that your horse is screaming for some addition vitamin A in his diet.
  2. Remove the scabs and cleanse with a chlorhexidine scrub. The chlorhexidine is a very good cleanser and disinfectant. One of the best.
  3. Treat with a 50/50 mixture of athlete's foot cream and triple antibiotic ointment. The AFC will help kill the fungus that causes the rainrot, and the TAO will help the skin heal and will help treat any secondary bacterial infections.

After I started supplementing my (old) horse with Vitamin A, I never had another rainrot problem with him. I boarded him at a rescue barn that CONSTANTLY had rainrot cases come through. My horse never got it, even when he was pastured with the horses. Vitamin A is the key to keep the skin healthy. When I treat rainrot on other horses, I don't even bother with the "usual" home remedies... listerine, bleach, MTG, etc... I just got straight to chlorhexidine and the 50/50 mixture. I've never had a case that hasn't been cleared up by this method. I've seen some that were so bad, the horse's back was one big bloody scab. I will never treat with anything else.

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The one time I had rain rot it was a very wet season, my vet said mostly keep them dry, my horses are out 24/7 also, with a run in, but they choose to be outside. He also gave me tucoprin, it's a antibotic in powder form, I wet the grain a little and mix it in. For me is was better than having to do shots.   Most healthy horses get over rain rot but sometimes their systems just cannot fight it.  My vet also said as oppossed to a bath do sponge treatment of betadine. Talk to your vet about vitamins, supplements and feed quality.
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Posted 11/19/2009 12:37:09 PM


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Update!
Thanks all for the information. I called my vet the other day, and she suggested picking off as many scabs as possible, putting Listerine onto the affected areas (rub it in with a rag) and a bath in Head & Shoulders every other day. And I must say it seems to be working! I have been using this method for about five days and have reduced his rainrot to about 1/3 of what it was before.
One more question. I've been researching alot, and all the websites say that rainrot bacteria die when exposed to oxygen for an amount of time. But none of the websites say how long the amount of time is! Does anybody know exactly how long it takes rainrot bacteria to die when exposed to air? Thanks.

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The bacteria that causes rain rot is anaerobic like you've heard, but how long it takes to die off depends on a number of factors like your horse's overall health, fitness level, immune system, the timeliness of your response, etc., which is probably why you haven't been able to find exact numbers on it. It sounds like you're doing a great job taking care of him and following the advice of your vet so I wouldn't worry too much that it hasn't cleared up yet. There's no miracle cure that'll fix it overnight, you just have to help his immune system get the time it needs to be able to fight it off, and that'll take several days. The only advice I have besides continuing to listen to your vet is to be careful picking off the scabs. The head and shoulders shampoo will help soften them, but you don't want to pick them off and cause bleeding, that will just cause more scabs and slow the healing process. Be sure you *gently* pull off softened scabs. If you're worried about bleaching your saddle pad, you could look around for cleaners/soaps that are antibacterial. Or since you're already using Listerine, try that! It was designed to kill the bacteria in our mouths, after all.
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